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		<title>By: Government Grants</title>
		<link>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/77.html#comment-847</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 02:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: government grants</title>
		<link>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/77.html#comment-846</link>
		<dc:creator>government grants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 03:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sonali</title>
		<link>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/77.html#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator>sonali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to guerra, I am a white chilean-american and know la mecha to be racist against anglo-americans and other caucasion races. By seperating themselves into groups like la mecha, la raza, you are displaying self-loathe and trying to create a race issue. Instead of seperating yourself, why not try integration. By the way, why does la mecha glorify illegal immigration? Why do you eat up all the flattery you receive from vicente fox. You don't see Chile and many other multiracial latin american nations encouraging their people to immigrate illegally to other nations. Chile has been through way worse economic crisis than mexico, but instead of acting out of fear, the natives of chile as well as the spaniard settlers got together to make the country greater. NOw, chile is the richest nation in latin america. Most chilean students in america, come here on allready paid tuitions. I know many chilean friends of mine who described the stupidity and radical nature of la mecha. The illegals here choose to whine about oppression as a reason for not being able to succeed. Unlike groups like la mecha, the students in chile question and protest the government in an intellectual and civilized manner. Noone in Chile, whether native indian or european whines about the past nor do they make racial issues. Why doesnt la mecha stop trying to create conspiracies and educate chicanos in speaking proper spanish and ways in which they can help their mother country and  its citizens. Why do you encourage them to believe that whatever mexican officials say is true. Why dont you question why mexico encourages its poor and uneducated to come here for work-why? Mexico doesnt want to take care of those citizens because of the fact that they are poor and uneducated. Also, mexico makes quite a bit on remittances. So someone said they were proud to be of aztec heritage...The aztecs sided with spanish criminal conquistadors so they could eliminate and conquer other indian tribes. It is always easy for the uneducated to be brainwashed.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to guerra, I am a white chilean-american and know la mecha to be racist against anglo-americans and other caucasion races. By seperating themselves into groups like la mecha, la raza, you are displaying self-loathe and trying to create a race issue. Instead of seperating yourself, why not try integration. By the way, why does la mecha glorify illegal immigration? Why do you eat up all the flattery you receive from vicente fox. You don&#8217;t see Chile and many other multiracial latin american nations encouraging their people to immigrate illegally to other nations. Chile has been through way worse economic crisis than mexico, but instead of acting out of fear, the natives of chile as well as the spaniard settlers got together to make the country greater. NOw, chile is the richest nation in latin america. Most chilean students in america, come here on allready paid tuitions. I know many chilean friends of mine who described the stupidity and radical nature of la mecha. The illegals here choose to whine about oppression as a reason for not being able to succeed. Unlike groups like la mecha, the students in chile question and protest the government in an intellectual and civilized manner. Noone in Chile, whether native indian or european whines about the past nor do they make racial issues. Why doesnt la mecha stop trying to create conspiracies and educate chicanos in speaking proper spanish and ways in which they can help their mother country and  its citizens. Why do you encourage them to believe that whatever mexican officials say is true. Why dont you question why mexico encourages its poor and uneducated to come here for work-why? Mexico doesnt want to take care of those citizens because of the fact that they are poor and uneducated. Also, mexico makes quite a bit on remittances. So someone said they were proud to be of aztec heritage&#8230;The aztecs sided with spanish criminal conquistadors so they could eliminate and conquer other indian tribes. It is always easy for the uneducated to be brainwashed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Haight</title>
		<link>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/77.html#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Haight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WatsonManson,

You may say that as often and as loudly as you like.  But I go by what I see MEChA doing and saying in the real world, not what they (or others) claim they are actually about.

The only place I look to for information about what MEChA is and does is MEChA itself.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WatsonManson,</p>
<p>You may say that as often and as loudly as you like.  But I go by what I see MEChA doing and saying in the real world, not what they (or others) claim they are actually about.</p>
<p>The only place I look to for information about what MEChA is and does is MEChA itself.</p>
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		<title>By: WatsonManson</title>
		<link>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/77.html#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>WatsonManson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/77.html#comment-843</guid>
		<description>I think that most of you are not informed about MEChA. Its purpose is to promote the welfare of the community in general and education. It does not exclude anyone. Furthermore, it is mainly a local organization so not all MEChA's are exactly the same. Finally the motto is "la Union hace la fuerza" not "por la raza todo..."
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that most of you are not informed about MEChA. Its purpose is to promote the welfare of the community in general and education. It does not exclude anyone. Furthermore, it is mainly a local organization so not all MEChA&#8217;s are exactly the same. Finally the motto is &#8220;la Union hace la fuerza&#8221; not &#8220;por la raza todo&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Haight</title>
		<link>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/77.html#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Haight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guera's IP address: 24.23.19.56
melymoya's IP address: 24.23.19.56

And yes, they posted 6 minutes apart.

BOOM!

You're banned.  :)

Guess what?  It makes you look Extra Retarded&#153; when you have to make fake posts to  be your own fan club.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guera&#8217;s IP address: 24.23.19.56<br />
melymoya&#8217;s IP address: 24.23.19.56</p>
<p>And yes, they posted 6 minutes apart.</p>
<p>BOOM!</p>
<p>You&#8217;re banned.  <img src='http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Guess what?  It makes you look Extra Retarded&#8482; when you have to make fake posts to  be your own fan club.</p>
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		<title>By: melymoya</title>
		<link>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/77.html#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>melymoya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm w/ guera on this one. i'm white and am in the mecha club becausei know that no one is purely of one race. there fore i/m a little of evrything and so is evryone else. you guys should be ashamed of yourselves

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m w/ guera on this one. i&#8217;m white and am in the mecha club becausei know that no one is purely of one race. there fore i/m a little of evrything and so is evryone else. you guys should be ashamed of yourselves</p>
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		<title>By: guera</title>
		<link>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/77.html#comment-840</link>
		<dc:creator>guera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that allof you should really think before you speak...or should i say write. n-e how... MECHA is not racist all of you just decided to take it the wrong way. Also when you write things like "all chicanos/all mexicans/all hispanics etc" you should remember that there is no way that everyone can have the same opinion about something or that we can all be the same way. i am a Mexican american, i'm proud of my heritage. i call myself hispanic, latina, chicana, mexican american, american...there are many things used to desctibe a person like me and not based on color. most people think i'm white because i'm very light skinned...in fact i'm lighter than many white people, i have bluish green eyes and blond hair. most people are surprized when they hera me speak spanish. i speak perfect spanish and english. i come to say that we are all racist in a certain way but mecha is not a racist club.i have felt descriminated by the white people in many ocacions. i can tell that people treat me better than my cousin simply because i look white and she looks mexican. if u were in my place u would understand.i had this one teacher who at first liked me because i guess she thought i was white. she would get mad at me when i'd talk to my friend in spanish but not at the other people when they spoke english. that class was AP HISTORY and there were only 2 mexicans, me and this one guy and we were the only two who happened to get a D...a D! what kind of bullshit is that? I know she was being racist because i noticed the way she changed w/ me once she knew i wasnt white. so since she was racist does that mean ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST? no! not everyone is the same. at our school we have white people in the club, mexicans, cubans, puerto ricans, blacks, asian...everything! except for russians... germans...and hindus(indians and others) but thats because they decide not to join if they wanted to they could. You are the racist ones by putting up comments like these above. i'm proud of my aztec origin as well as european.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that allof you should really think before you speak&#8230;or should i say write. n-e how&#8230; MECHA is not racist all of you just decided to take it the wrong way. Also when you write things like &#8220;all chicanos/all mexicans/all hispanics etc&#8221; you should remember that there is no way that everyone can have the same opinion about something or that we can all be the same way. i am a Mexican american, i&#8217;m proud of my heritage. i call myself hispanic, latina, chicana, mexican american, american&#8230;there are many things used to desctibe a person like me and not based on color. most people think i&#8217;m white because i&#8217;m very light skinned&#8230;in fact i&#8217;m lighter than many white people, i have bluish green eyes and blond hair. most people are surprized when they hera me speak spanish. i speak perfect spanish and english. i come to say that we are all racist in a certain way but mecha is not a racist club.i have felt descriminated by the white people in many ocacions. i can tell that people treat me better than my cousin simply because i look white and she looks mexican. if u were in my place u would understand.i had this one teacher who at first liked me because i guess she thought i was white. she would get mad at me when i&#8217;d talk to my friend in spanish but not at the other people when they spoke english. that class was AP HISTORY and there were only 2 mexicans, me and this one guy and we were the only two who happened to get a D&#8230;a D! what kind of bullshit is that? I know she was being racist because i noticed the way she changed w/ me once she knew i wasnt white. so since she was racist does that mean ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST? no! not everyone is the same. at our school we have white people in the club, mexicans, cubans, puerto ricans, blacks, asian&#8230;everything! except for russians&#8230; germans&#8230;and hindus(indians and others) but thats because they decide not to join if they wanted to they could. You are the racist ones by putting up comments like these above. i&#8217;m proud of my aztec origin as well as european.</p>
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		<title>By: Hubert M. Odom</title>
		<link>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/77.html#comment-839</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubert M. Odom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term "Gabacho" originated in Spain in the Pyranees Mountains region where Spain bordered France and the two cultures mingled.  Gabacho was applied derogatorily by nationalistic Spaniards to those other less nationalistic Spaniards who were considered to be more French than Spanish.

From that original use, the term gabacho really is universally misused by Mexicans and Mexican-Americans when applied to United States citizens of light skin within the United States, unless it was applied to other Mexicans and Mexican Americans of light skin who have acted more like Americans than Mexicans.

Similarly, the term "gringo", as someone before has pointed out, originally was applied by the Spanish to foreignors in Spain whose native languages "sounded like Greek" or Griego to the Spanish. From this origin it is extremely rude and inappropriate to call an American of any colored skin a gringo within the person's homeland of the United States.

Such linguistic logic did not come into play in the the development of the Mexican version of Spanish.  This is to be expected when a nation of people takes a simple word such as "pinchi", meaning originally in Spanish a scullion, or a kitchen helper, and evolved that word into a Mexican version ranging from the heaviest applications of our "F" word to something mildly describing worthless.

Another Spanish word greatly evolved by the Mexicans is "chingar" meaning originally in Spanish "to tipple", or take a drink of some alcoholic beverage, which came to mean to the Mexicans an all purpose, and ubiquitous, word ranging from all of the darkest meanings of our "F" word to a simple condition of feeling mildly  out of sorts.

As it happened in the 1960's that American Blacks, whose ancesters all came from West Africa, mistakenly adapted many of the cultural aspects of East Africans, the Viva La Raza drum beaters in the United States have incorrectly interpreted the Aztlan origin myth, by locating the original homeland of the Aztecs in the Southwest of the United States. BAD WRONG!

Aztec mythology described the origin point of the Aztec tribe to be "in the Land of the Blue Herons".  Now it's true a few blue herons move along the river systems of the American Southwest . . . but damn few!

The true Land of the Blue Herons was always known to be in the very wet and tropical area that is the modern Mexican State of Nayarit, which is indeed quite a ways from the American Southwest.  There are now, and have always been, a humongous amount of blue herons living in Nayarit, which always has had the right climate and geography for these birds to thrive in great numbers.

When a drum beater cause is fabricated from scratch, the fabricators should get the facts for their dogma straight instead of creating fiction to support their racist dream.

Submitted by Hugh Odom
December 9, 2004
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8220;Gabacho&#8221; originated in Spain in the Pyranees Mountains region where Spain bordered France and the two cultures mingled.  Gabacho was applied derogatorily by nationalistic Spaniards to those other less nationalistic Spaniards who were considered to be more French than Spanish.</p>
<p>From that original use, the term gabacho really is universally misused by Mexicans and Mexican-Americans when applied to United States citizens of light skin within the United States, unless it was applied to other Mexicans and Mexican Americans of light skin who have acted more like Americans than Mexicans.</p>
<p>Similarly, the term &#8220;gringo&#8221;, as someone before has pointed out, originally was applied by the Spanish to foreignors in Spain whose native languages &#8220;sounded like Greek&#8221; or Griego to the Spanish. From this origin it is extremely rude and inappropriate to call an American of any colored skin a gringo within the person&#8217;s homeland of the United States.</p>
<p>Such linguistic logic did not come into play in the the development of the Mexican version of Spanish.  This is to be expected when a nation of people takes a simple word such as &#8220;pinchi&#8221;, meaning originally in Spanish a scullion, or a kitchen helper, and evolved that word into a Mexican version ranging from the heaviest applications of our &#8220;F&#8221; word to something mildly describing worthless.</p>
<p>Another Spanish word greatly evolved by the Mexicans is &#8220;chingar&#8221; meaning originally in Spanish &#8220;to tipple&#8221;, or take a drink of some alcoholic beverage, which came to mean to the Mexicans an all purpose, and ubiquitous, word ranging from all of the darkest meanings of our &#8220;F&#8221; word to a simple condition of feeling mildly  out of sorts.</p>
<p>As it happened in the 1960&#8217;s that American Blacks, whose ancesters all came from West Africa, mistakenly adapted many of the cultural aspects of East Africans, the Viva La Raza drum beaters in the United States have incorrectly interpreted the Aztlan origin myth, by locating the original homeland of the Aztecs in the Southwest of the United States. BAD WRONG!</p>
<p>Aztec mythology described the origin point of the Aztec tribe to be &#8220;in the Land of the Blue Herons&#8221;.  Now it&#8217;s true a few blue herons move along the river systems of the American Southwest . . . but damn few!</p>
<p>The true Land of the Blue Herons was always known to be in the very wet and tropical area that is the modern Mexican State of Nayarit, which is indeed quite a ways from the American Southwest.  There are now, and have always been, a humongous amount of blue herons living in Nayarit, which always has had the right climate and geography for these birds to thrive in great numbers.</p>
<p>When a drum beater cause is fabricated from scratch, the fabricators should get the facts for their dogma straight instead of creating fiction to support their racist dream.</p>
<p>Submitted by Hugh Odom<br />
December 9, 2004</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra</title>
		<link>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/77.html#comment-838</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a MEChA member, it saddens me to read all these opinions that portray MEChA as a racist group it isn't. The MECha organizations I know in southern california are open to ALL groups, regardless of race. It would hence be illogical to accuse us of racism. As an organization we also fight for workers rights and humans rights, not making a distinction of race, creed, ethnicity, etc. The statement of "For la raza, everything and outside la raza, nothing" appears in a historical document to our organization, El Plan de Santa Barbara. It has been long concluded that it is solely a historical document, and a revosed MEChA philosophy has been created. WE DO NOT ABIDE BY THAT STATEMENT!! It is obviously apparent that none who have posted their comments in opposition to MEChA present an 'educated' opinion.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a MEChA member, it saddens me to read all these opinions that portray MEChA as a racist group it isn&#8217;t. The MECha organizations I know in southern california are open to ALL groups, regardless of race. It would hence be illogical to accuse us of racism. As an organization we also fight for workers rights and humans rights, not making a distinction of race, creed, ethnicity, etc. The statement of &#8220;For la raza, everything and outside la raza, nothing&#8221; appears in a historical document to our organization, El Plan de Santa Barbara. It has been long concluded that it is solely a historical document, and a revosed MEChA philosophy has been created. WE DO NOT ABIDE BY THAT STATEMENT!! It is obviously apparent that none who have posted their comments in opposition to MEChA present an &#8216;educated&#8217; opinion.</p>
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