Comments on: Nice Dates http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/444.html Kyle and Anne Haight: Annoying People In Stereo Since 1971 Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:22:14 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Kyle Haight http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/444.html/comment-page-1#comment-3020 Kyle Haight Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:05:23 +0000 http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/444.html#comment-3020 I'd characterize that as utilitarian at best. Certainly Osama bin Laden didn't view it as respect and partnership -- the presence of infidel Americans in Saudi Arabia as a result of that war is one of his standard grievances against the United States. Your point regarding the Iranian Hostage crisis supports me, though, unless you consider imposing a corrupt puppet government a form of respect and partnership. And kicking out foreign invaders through force absolutely <em>is</em> a war, even if it were (as you apparently consider it) a justified one. Or would you say that what the Soviet Union did to Germany in 1942-45 wasn't a war, since they were just kicking out foreign invaders? I’d characterize that as utilitarian at best. Certainly Osama bin Laden didn’t view it as respect and partnership — the presence of infidel Americans in Saudi Arabia as a result of that war is one of his standard grievances against the United States.

Your point regarding the Iranian Hostage crisis supports me, though, unless you consider imposing a corrupt puppet government a form of respect and partnership. And kicking out foreign invaders through force absolutely is a war, even if it were (as you apparently consider it) a justified one. Or would you say that what the Soviet Union did to Germany in 1942-45 wasn’t a war, since they were just kicking out foreign invaders?

]]> By: Oscar Cwajbaum http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/444.html/comment-page-1#comment-3019 Oscar Cwajbaum Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:22:38 +0000 http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/444.html#comment-3019 As I recall, in the first Gulf War most of the Muslim countries were allies fighting along side our troops. I think that qualifies under "respect and partnership". I also seem to remember that the Iranian Hostage Crisis began when Iranians decided to topple the corrupt US puppet government and set up a government more closely aligned with their beliefs and wishes. That's not waging war against the US -- that's kicking out foreign invaders. Saying that our relationship with the Muslim world has been consistently bloody and violent is a gross overgeneralization, and is akin to saying our relationship with conservative Christians has been consistently bloody and violent and citing various anti-abortion and anti-gay domestic terrorisism acts as evidence. As I recall, in the first Gulf War most of the Muslim countries were allies fighting along side our troops. I think that qualifies under “respect and partnership”.

I also seem to remember that the Iranian Hostage Crisis began when Iranians decided to topple the corrupt US puppet government and set up a government more closely aligned with their beliefs and wishes. That’s not waging war against the US — that’s kicking out foreign invaders.

Saying that our relationship with the Muslim world has been consistently bloody and violent is a gross overgeneralization, and is akin to saying our relationship with conservative Christians has been consistently bloody and violent and citing various anti-abortion and anti-gay domestic terrorisism acts as evidence.

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