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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Not Stealing If You Pay For It</title>
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	<description>Kyle and Anne Haight: Annoying People In Stereo Since 1971</description>
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		<title>By: B Tok</title>
		<link>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/36.html/comment-page-1#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>B Tok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who didn&#039;t use the term &quot;pirate&quot; correctly?
According to Merriam Webster&#039;s online dictionary, a &quot;pirate&quot; is &quot;one who commits piracy&quot;.  And their third definition of &quot;piracy&quot; is &quot;the unauthorized use of another&#039;s production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright&quot;.
My conclusion to your short, and to the best of my understanding, uneducated post, dong, is that you just wanted to get your two cents in, no matter how silly or stupid it may have been.

How, if a person (or persons) wrote something from their own creativity and by their own hand, and legally copyrights it, and it is for sale, for their own profit (like a paycheck), is it not stealing for a person to copy it without permission?  What if your paycheck were based on inventions or something of the such, and you had a patent, and someone else started mass-producing that invention and giving it away for free?  How do you think you would feel knowing that someone else caused your paycheck to decrease more and more over time?  Would you not consider it stealing?  I think I would.
And if that&#039;s not wrong... than why was I not allowed to copy, word-for-word, someone else&#039;s research in college and claim it for my own?
What exactly is alright about copying and distributing someone&#039;s music, research paper, paintings, art, designs, theories, ideas, and ultimately, in the end, their money?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who didn&#8217;t use the term &#8220;pirate&#8221; correctly?<br />
According to Merriam Webster&#8217;s online dictionary, a &#8220;pirate&#8221; is &#8220;one who commits piracy&#8221;.  And their third definition of &#8220;piracy&#8221; is &#8220;the unauthorized use of another&#8217;s production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright&#8221;.<br />
My conclusion to your short, and to the best of my understanding, uneducated post, dong, is that you just wanted to get your two cents in, no matter how silly or stupid it may have been.</p>
<p>How, if a person (or persons) wrote something from their own creativity and by their own hand, and legally copyrights it, and it is for sale, for their own profit (like a paycheck), is it not stealing for a person to copy it without permission?  What if your paycheck were based on inventions or something of the such, and you had a patent, and someone else started mass-producing that invention and giving it away for free?  How do you think you would feel knowing that someone else caused your paycheck to decrease more and more over time?  Would you not consider it stealing?  I think I would.<br />
And if that&#8217;s not wrong&#8230; than why was I not allowed to copy, word-for-word, someone else&#8217;s research in college and claim it for my own?<br />
What exactly is alright about copying and distributing someone&#8217;s music, research paper, paintings, art, designs, theories, ideas, and ultimately, in the end, their money?</p>
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		<title>By: dong</title>
		<link>http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/36.html/comment-page-1#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>dong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2004 00:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t even use the term pirate correctly. pfft, figures.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t even use the term pirate correctly. pfft, figures.</p>
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		<title>By: Dong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann Haight:

&quot;In this case, the copyright holders did not give permission for the material to be distributed in this way. Therefore people downloading it are stealing.&quot;


By law, you are very wrong, copyright infringement is the right term. Simple.

As one guy stated after being harassed by police for taking a picture of a Boeing 737 airplane, &quot;If you aren&#039;t sure about the laws, don&#039;t try to enforce or educate others about it&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann Haight:</p>
<p>&#8220;In this case, the copyright holders did not give permission for the material to be distributed in this way. Therefore people downloading it are stealing.&#8221;</p>
<p>By law, you are very wrong, copyright infringement is the right term. Simple.</p>
<p>As one guy stated after being harassed by police for taking a picture of a Boeing 737 airplane, &#8220;If you aren&#8217;t sure about the laws, don&#8217;t try to enforce or educate others about it&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: THE SMART ONE</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE SMART ONE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2003 04:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANNE YOU FUCKEN HORE, YOU STUPID BITCH WHO THE FUCK DO YOU FUCKEN THINK YOU ARE TO MAKE UP THESE RACIAL COMMENTS, AND DISTURBE THE PEACEFUL WAYS OF FUCKEN PEACEFUL PEOPLE, AGAIN YOU FUCKEN EVIL MONSTER, STOP FUCKEN BITCHING AROUND YOU FUCKEN HORE


ANNE IT&#039;S OBVIOUS YOUR STUPIDITY REACHES NO LIMIT. AFTER READING YOUR MONOTONOUS RACIALLY INSULTING ARTICLE(OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT) I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT YOU DID NOT DO YOUR RESEARCH. I END MY COMMENT, BY SAYING AGAIN, THAT YOUR IDIOTIC STUPIDITY REACHES NO LIMIT. I RECOMMEND THAT YOU SEARCH FOR IMMEADIATE PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOUR MENTALLITY IS NOT MENTALLITY, YOU IDIOTIC UNINTELLIGENT STUPID GIRL. I END THIS COMMENT BY THE SECOND TIME, BY ENJOYING MYSELF BY SAYING THAT YOU ARE MENTALLY INCAPABLE. IF YOU WISH TO FURTHER DEBATE YOUR STUPIDITY POST A COMMENT(TRY TO MAKE IT NON-IDIOTIC PLEASE)AND, I&#039;LL ANSWER YOUR ALMOST TO HUMAN INTELLIGENCE COMMENT, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND AGAIN(SINCE I KNOW MENTALLY RETARTED PEOPLE, LIKE YOU, HAVE SHORT TERM MEMORY) I MUST REMIND YOU OF YOUR IDIOTIC STUPIDITY.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANNE YOU FUCKEN HORE, YOU STUPID BITCH WHO THE FUCK DO YOU FUCKEN THINK YOU ARE TO MAKE UP THESE RACIAL COMMENTS, AND DISTURBE THE PEACEFUL WAYS OF FUCKEN PEACEFUL PEOPLE, AGAIN YOU FUCKEN EVIL MONSTER, STOP FUCKEN BITCHING AROUND YOU FUCKEN HORE</p>
<p>ANNE IT&#8217;S OBVIOUS YOUR STUPIDITY REACHES NO LIMIT. AFTER READING YOUR MONOTONOUS RACIALLY INSULTING ARTICLE(OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT) I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT YOU DID NOT DO YOUR RESEARCH. I END MY COMMENT, BY SAYING AGAIN, THAT YOUR IDIOTIC STUPIDITY REACHES NO LIMIT. I RECOMMEND THAT YOU SEARCH FOR IMMEADIATE PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOUR MENTALLITY IS NOT MENTALLITY, YOU IDIOTIC UNINTELLIGENT STUPID GIRL. I END THIS COMMENT BY THE SECOND TIME, BY ENJOYING MYSELF BY SAYING THAT YOU ARE MENTALLY INCAPABLE. IF YOU WISH TO FURTHER DEBATE YOUR STUPIDITY POST A COMMENT(TRY TO MAKE IT NON-IDIOTIC PLEASE)AND, I&#8217;LL ANSWER YOUR ALMOST TO HUMAN INTELLIGENCE COMMENT, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND AGAIN(SINCE I KNOW MENTALLY RETARTED PEOPLE, LIKE YOU, HAVE SHORT TERM MEMORY) I MUST REMIND YOU OF YOUR IDIOTIC STUPIDITY.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who the hell pays for kazaa?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who the hell pays for kazaa?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Haight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Haight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a mildly interesting but totally unpersuasive and nonsensical argument.  Sounds like a rationalization to me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a mildly interesting but totally unpersuasive and nonsensical argument.  Sounds like a rationalization to me.</p>
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		<title>By: zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say, &quot;Its not stealing if you&#039;re not depriving someone of posession of their property.&quot;

Intellectual Property is a very useful fiction. I don&#039;t argue against it&#039;s existence; however, the name is misleading. There is no real property involved whatsoever.

The laws regarding Intellectual Property exist &quot;To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries&quot;*. These are very admirable goals. However, there is no property at stake and the crime committed in transgressing these laws is *not* theft. Theft, thievery, stealing and piracy are all words of propaganda.

Yes, using copyrighted material without licence is breaking the law; then again, so is going 60 in a 55.

* text from Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say, &#8220;Its not stealing if you&#8217;re not depriving someone of posession of their property.&#8221;</p>
<p>Intellectual Property is a very useful fiction. I don&#8217;t argue against it&#8217;s existence; however, the name is misleading. There is no real property involved whatsoever.</p>
<p>The laws regarding Intellectual Property exist &#8220;To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries&#8221;*. These are very admirable goals. However, there is no property at stake and the crime committed in transgressing these laws is *not* theft. Theft, thievery, stealing and piracy are all words of propaganda.</p>
<p>Yes, using copyrighted material without licence is breaking the law; then again, so is going 60 in a 55.</p>
<p>* text from Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution.</p>
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