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Gray-Out is doing to the Hispanics what the DemocRATS have done to blacks all along: give them the giant tit of socialism: state services, health care, education, welfare, etc., saying “We’ve given you all these things without having to work for it, so Vote for us!”

And they fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Until FDR came along, blacks voted on a regular basis for the Republican Party

Then they have the nerve to dis people like Colin Powell, Clarance Thomas, Condoleezza Rice, and oh yeah, Miguel Estrada, because they’ve made it on their own without the giant socialist tit…..shows you who the REAL racists are, and it ain’t the Republicans!

My own auto insurance policy pays for injuries and damages I incur when I’m in an auto accident. And all the people driving around without insurance are the reason my premiums are high, because my insurance company has to sue the uninsured driver (which is a futile exercise) instead of recovering the expense from their insurance company.

As to your second point, I don’t see what “Mexicans or latinos” (which one is it, by the way?) “taking over” the US has to do with the subject of illegal immigrants having driver’s licenses.

What did I say that was “stupid stuff”? You feel like actually engaging in some kind of intelligent debate on the subject instead of just calling me a “funcking stupid ass” (sic), and leaving a fake name and email like the gutless coward you are? Or do you not have the balls? Christ, dude, I have a bigger dick than you and I’m not even male.

You’re as much of a European invader as I am, seeing as how we’re both descendants of European colonists. It’s just that most of mine were from Britain and most of yours were from Spain.

“Fuck you” is not a valid reply to my argument. So just STFU unless you have something cogent to say.

No, I take that back. Please, keep spewing your mindless, bigoted trash so everyone can see how stupid, hateful, ignorant, and inarticulate you are. It’s amusing in a “I can’t believe people like this really exist” kind of way.

I think you are totally right, Anne. There is very little to none hope that after illegals obtain drivers licenses, they will get auto insurance too. So that situation is not going to improve. It is illegal for companies to employ illegal immigrants, so Davis was wrong when he said he just wanted to prived the people the means to get to work. They are not supposed to work, that would be illegal! I myself am an immigrant. I came here with my parents, legally. The years that it took for me and my family to obtain legal immigration papers and leave our old country being labeled as “enemies and traitors” the whole time, were endured in a desire to not take advantage of the new country by arriving here illegally. To be productive contributors to the economy and lawful tax payers, instead of waiting for hand-outs from legislators who just wanted our votes. Remember, there is a reson why those immigrants are here illegally - the US doesn’t want to let them in here legally, because there is such thing as “legal immigration” - you just have to not be a criminal and the wait is longer then just crossing a brook and hopping a fence.

“Hispanics/Latinos (words that the U.S. have made up to classify us immigrants from Latin America) have become the largest minority of this country…Soon i assure you, maybe not within your lifetime, but your of your kids, we will no longer be a minority- we will in fact be the majority. Politically speaking, maybe it is not possible for Mexicans to regain the territory that was stolen from them, but theoretically speaking, Mexicans and other groups will regain what once belonged to them.”

Dude, why do romanticize mexico. This territory wasn’t stolen it was bought. And when we bought it it wasn’t a thriving gem of prosperity for your country. Americas turned it in to the lucrative place it currently is. Yet you wanna take it back. You come over here to reap the benefits yet instead of assimilating into americans you remain mexicans working in America. Three times the birth rate, twice the rate of welfare and only 40% graduating high school. Dude you guys are drastically increasing the lower class and killing the lower/middle class. The seperation between the haves and have nots is getting huge. Soon we are going to be left with this enormous lower class and no tax base to subsidize them. I don’t blame illegals at all and if I was in their shoes I’d be here to. I’m not anti latino nor am I anti immigrant but I really believe we have to take an honest look at what is happening here. Do we really want this to become the third world bankrupt state of California. The silent majority doesn’t want this, yet everyone is too pussy to say anything about it. Ethnic pressure groups and the elite left have got the noose on us so tight that We’re probably fucked.

Anne Haight, you have no clue of what “illegal immigrants” mean to this state of California and in the bigger picture, the United States of America. We are the ones picking the food you eat, we build the cars you drive, and to top it all off we clean your houses. These “illegal immigrants” are not free loading, they are not a burden to your tax dollars. You cannot hold us down. You’ve tried it before with proposition 187, which didn’t pass because this state needs us. You tried it during the 60’s and many organizations were founded to rise above this hatred. MEChA was formed in order to get our children into college. The Brown Berets emerged as a powerful militant force, which the media nor anyone talks about anymore for “security” purposes. United Farm Workers was a powerful union that emerged as one of the greatest if not the greatest union this country has ever had. Why do you think these organizations were so important and why they were so successful? I don’t think they were successful because we are a burden on your tax dollars, I think they were successful because the people realized that they needed “illegal immigrants” for this country to survive. The people that realized this took a big step out of igorance and maybe you and your supporters will too. I’d be happy to debate with you. Just email me.

This whole drivers license for illegal immigrants is nonsense. I am against it.What the government is tryin to do to the latinos and many other forms of immigrants is give them a bone to chew on and keep them busy. We all now the almost 2million immigrants that are outthere are here to stay. what we need to do is legalize them give them legal residency(”green card”). we need to do this in order to erase all those doubts that are outthere about our national security and other questions. 1/3 of our workforce here in california is workin illegal, we need the cheap labor in order to be the 5th largest economy in the world. I say if we are goin to do it, we need to do it right.

I THINK YOU ARE FUCKING RACIST AND YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG BY NOT WANTING TO GIVE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS DRIVERS LICENSES(YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE). WHO DO YOU THINK? PICK THE FRUIT AND THE VEGETABLES ON YOUR TABLE? WHO DO YOU THINK WASHES THE DISHES AT THE RESTAURANTS WHERE YOU EAT? IF YOU DISAGREE WITH IMMIGRATION SO MUCH, WHY DON’T YOU GET ALL OF THE IMMIGRANTS OUT OF THIS COUNTRY AND HAVE WHITE PEOPLE DO ALL THE HARD JOBS THAT LATINOS DO? I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHITE PEOPLE PICKING FRUIT AND VEGETABLES ON A HOT SUMMER DAY, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHITE PEOPLE WASHING DISHES AT RESTAURANTS, CLEANING THE BATHROOMS, AND SCRUBBING THE FLOORS AT RICH PEOPLE’S HOUSES LIKE MANY LATINO LADIES DO THEIR HOUSEKEEPING AND MANY OTHER JOBS TO EARN A DECENT LIVING. ALL THESE PEOPLE WANT IS TO WORK AND EARN A DECENT LIVING, INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT ALL THE IMMIGRANTS YOU SHOULD WORRY ABOUT ALL THE CORRUPTION THERE IS IN THE U.S., WHERE ARE THE COPS WHEN YOU NEED THEM? THERE IS SO MUCH CRIME GOING ON AND NOT A SINGLE COP PASSES BY THE STREETS WHEN WE NEED ONE.

Yes, Illegals should get driver’s licenses. Nothing against the mexican community, but they are the ones who work most of the LOBOR jobs out there. Lets be real how many citizens actually work the fields, constuction jobs, janitorials, etc. Not very many. All were giving them is a little bit more freedom to have access to the NECCESSART things that we need to survive. We dont need to be citizens or legal resdents but we do need driver’s licenses. First of all transportation is neccessary.

Plus I’m tire of all you STUPID IGNORANT WHITE PEOPLE AND EVERYONE AGAINST THIS BILL. IF a terrorist really wanted to bomb the US he’d do it with or with out a driver’s liscense. To all you FUCKS who oppose this bill you dont even know the situations behind these people. IF these immigrants actually had a better life back to at there homeland, do u actually think they would actually leave there country? Common now And for all you who say it’s not fair for other WELL “FUCK YOU” because society is not fair anyways. Do you actually think the government is fair. BULLSHIT! Politics is a bunch of bullshit and these fucken politicians are only looking out for there own ass. Do you actually think that the Gov. cares about YOU? common now!

Plus for all of you who say illegals should go back to there countries then DON’T EVER STEP FOOT INTO ANY COUNTY BECAUASE THAT WOULD MAKE YOU A BUNCH OF STUPID IGNORANT HYPOCRITS. The United States is a hypocritcal county. They use other countries for there resources and have established government offices in other countries and is allowed to go to any country because your a CITIZEN. Then the GOVERNMENT and the FUCKEN PEOPLe of this society have the fucken nerve to say “GET THE OUT OF HERE YOU DONT BELONG IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” Well FUCK ALL OF YOU WHO THINK like this because you dont fucken belong in any fucken part of this world. What if you stoopid WHITE AMERICANS were to step foot in Mexico and the government threw you back out. I’m sure you stoopid fuckers wont like that. Let’s make a better example how bout EUROPE. The world would be a better place if all you stupid racist as motherfuckers didnt exist. The truth is you stoopid bitches still have racism embedided in your brain. SHIT that has been passed down from your ancestors.

I am not Latino. I came to this country legally. I was hard, but that’s what you do — you abide by the laws of the country where you want to go. Mexicans are NOT a special group of people. They dont deserve special treatment over other nationalities — whether they be asian, african or european. They should not get special status for breaking the law. If they do, those boats full of Communist Chinese, Vietnamese, Afghan and Pakistani people must be given the same rights as illegal latino immigrants.

by the way, that would be a dangerous proposition indeed.

I’m a 14 year old girl, and i feel really sad about all of this. One thing that im going to say that even the president said it,”Without immigrants in the USA this country wouldnt be as powerfull as it is right now.” Immigrants dont came here just to fool around they come here to progress, to became better would help them in their progress.And you know that the driver license would be a way of identifying not an immigrant a person.It doent matter the color of the skin or their nationality no matter what they are still humas with a lot of dreams of becaming better.
Hope you guys understand.

HOW MANY AMERICAN CITIZEN,AND LEGAL INMIGRANT LOST THEY JOB,BECAUSE ILLIGAL INMIGRANT FROM MEXICO TAKE OVER,THEY,JOB,DO YOU NOW HOW MANY MEXICAN ENTER ILLEGALY FROM THE BORDER 1000 PER DAY,YES ONE THOUSAND PER DAY,FIVE THOUSAND FOR 7 DAYS AND 30000 EVERY 30 DAYS. DU YOU SEE,MEXICAN IN THE 50 STATE,DO YOU KNOW WHAY NOW?

Heaven leigh: You are so short minded….I’m glad people of California don’t have you as a fellow Californian…Who said immigrants don’t have respect for the law or the land? They are here simply to survive. Obtaining a drivers license requires the licensee to pass a test on the rules of the road, and is also given a road test. If they pass (meaning that they have demonstrated knowledge of the rules of the road and exhibit good driving skills), then they are given their drivers license. Does that make sense to you? A good driver can be white, Mexican, African American, etc., just as they all can be bad drivers. But what you are arguing (that immigrants don’t have respect for the law is too plain for me). There are whites or natives of the U.S. who don’t give a rat’s ass about respecting the law. I thank God too that you left California.

Wow! Everyone is so right. You have all - each one of you brought up such thought worthy points. I’m writing a paper on this very subject as a class assignment, and I am torn, quite honestly. I wasn’t, until I read this entire posting of pro’s and con’s. What a precarious situation we will be in, come January. God bless us all with the wisdom to handle this in a way that will serve the greater good.

my names mario and Im an american citizen but both my parents were “illegal aliens”(how i hate that word with a passion)who came here for a better life for themselfs and their children. Im also writing a college paper on this topic.
Im for the this law that gives Illegal immigrants a drivers license not just because im Latino but because Iv lived,meet, and worked with these people that you blame for your bad economy. These are some of the most hard working people iv ever meet and to assume that they are here just here to bring the economy down is just wrong. I can understand why some of you might think we are crazy for being illegal and having the balls to demand certain rights, But this is the land of milk and honey.
citizen t mentioned that there isnt programs for the legal working poor. I dont think that is right either, we should come up with a program to help them out also. Maybe we should use some of that money we are using one war to help the people living in the u.s. but thats another topic.
i guess i went of the subject but remember that these illegal immigrants also come here for a better life for their children. I grew up in some poor areas but im trying not to become another bad statistic. If you think my parents brought this country down ill help bring it back up.
future paramedic. and maybe a historian.

Also, another quick note. Now that illegal immigrants can obtain licenses, all of us other californians have another problem. Soon the other states may not like the idea that many illegals have licenses in california and they will not allow a california drivers license to account for any form of identification. We will be forced to obtain a special form of identification to show that we are here legally. Some states, I assume, might even go to the extreme to not count the california drivers license to be a valid for of drivers license in many other states.

any you are so wander full you selff are illegal;;; i leff of you you are such a bitch and you know it,who cares if the illigall people are around, if you dont like to fuck with them dont doit,maby you want them so bedly but like you dont speek spanish you cant get any by the way my grofen was illigal and fuck the same bifore and ofter and if you want to get intell politiks, get out and be a governor, if the imigrants can be governors wy you dont? i gest bicause you are a looser.: and all wat you have is your poisones tonhg, i dont spall rigt as you know, but who cares..i am in a free contry,abru one is from some where.so dont fuck with other only bicause your fathers get here first, yest thank god they dont drown in the sea wan the come illigaly from urop..???hahahahah you are illigall like any othere one,,if you dont have and indian green car.you are such a jock…..hahahahahah

who cares about this stupid issue. why don’t you argue about somethin important like how the hell we now have a governator or how to save the earth

I have read the comments on this page. There are many valid points. I can see that people feel strongly. It is a mistake to allow emotions lead us to say nasty things about each other. For those who think this issue is about hate towards you or latinos, etc. I am sorry. If you think “White” people are against you, I am sorry. Why is it always about race? There is no end to race. Why is skin color so big with everyone. It is no disguise for who you are- what you are inside. That is what counts. That is no cliche. It is the truth. I wish people could listen more to truth. The things that matter most in life are not hate, not evil speaking, not wealth, not cars, not jobs. They are love, family, charity, hard work, forgiveness, improvement, learning, sharing.

Anyone who classifies Mexicans, Americans, Iraqis or any people, is in danger of being grossly wrong. There are good people in all lands. Unfortunately not all lands are equal in recourse, consumption etc. And more unfortunate is a country where people desire things that are good, but cannot realize them not because the country is lacking the recources, but because their government is holding them back, or some group is against progress and against good.

If you think there is no evil, think again. There are forces of good and evil in this world. Evil strikes women and children. Evil leads to abuse. Greed is evil. There is much evil. Good is often dismissed. Good is just coincidence. Good, that is too often forgotten. But if you don’t see enough good, the first place you should look is at yourself. What good have you done? What good are you capable of? What can you do for others?

It is true, there is much corruption in government. It is true, there are many nice immigrants that are illegal who have good intentions. That is definately not in question with me. I have worked with them. I ahve seen them. Even so, I know that there are thousands and more that I don’t know, that still are these good intentioned people. But, good intentions is not good enough for everything.

The fact is that giving liscenses to illegals is contrary to law. If legal, it would be an illegal law in my opinion. I don’t know that I can envision a good answer for this matter. This is not a perfect world. But in my opinion, thsi illegal lisence issue is not even close to the answer. I would think it better to fist think about making it easier for good illegals to get citizenship, and ensuring that fraud, not only by illegals, but legals also, is curtailed. Fraud is ridiculously bad in America. It occurs in volumes beyound measure in this country.

As for making laws, it is no easy task. Who has every tried to propose a bill? Who has tried to sit on a committee and debate and negotiate something that is agreeable to the varying minds who will vote upon it? It is not easy. This country is special. I am sick of people not being grateful for this country. I am sick of people bad mouthing it and trying to distort the fact that this country is a gift. Yes it was fought for, yes it was taken, but you know what? It never belonged to any man in the first place. You could say it belonged to the Native Americans, or to the Mexicans, but where did they get it? Who did they take it from? Who made this land. We are all living on land we do not own.

Have you ever thought about this? For everything you have, you can be grateful to someone else for helping you get it. Anyone who claims to have accomplished something all on their own is mistaken. The point I am trying to make is: Why have so many people forgotten about God? Why do we remember him in times of trouble, times of tragedy, then when things get better, we forget Him? I suppose it is a natural characteristic of man. There is more to life than nature though.

If man would learn to obey God’s laws, there would be less need for the laws of man. If things re to get better for people, there are two ways to try. The good way, and the bad way. There is less and less of the in between. It is time to start choosing. If you think this is ramble, maybe some of it is., But I don’t think I am too far off. This is coming from my heart and my mind, not just from one. It makes sense to me in both places.

Anyway, I know the issue being discussed here is driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants, but I could not help write this way after the feeling I got from reading others comments.

Just as a note for those who are thinking anything contrary: God does not teach his children to hate. He is happy when we love. God is love. He gave us His Son to show us how to live. Unfortunately many of those principles have been forgotten and distorted. But the truth can be found. Look for it. Don’t stop until you find it.

And for those who dimiss this, or despise what I say, I am sorry. I am also sorry when some people choose to invite words of hate and refuse words of God. The successes of this country have long since been credited to him by those making the greatest sacrifices. Those who try to say that things like slavery etc were the intents of this country and blah blah, it is nonsense. Chalk it up to the mistakes of men.

> The only reason that “whites” or “americans”
> are never seen doing that is because the
> illegal immigrants stole their jobs.

Actually I doubt that very much. The fact is, your average middle-class white teenager from Marin would never take a job like picking food in fields, even if it were offered to him.

Jobs like that, and working at fast food places, janitorial work, and so on, are low-skill or unskilled jobs that do not require a higher education. Many of them don’t even require that you speak English. That’s why so many non-English-speakers (the majority of whom tend to be Mexican immigrants, both legal and illegal) take those jobs.

They are filling jobs that otherwise would not be filled. The employers would have to raise the wage to attract labor, thus raising all costs across the board and making everyone pay more for things connected to those jobs (such as the menu prices of fast food, the cost of having your house cleaned, the cost of your groceries).

Also, if those jobs attract people who are greatly overqualified (due to the money), it deprives the rest of society of productive work that these people could be doing with that higher education and/or skillset. Everybody loses.

But if people with very poor skills take the jobs, they get an income, and everybody gets less expensive goods (including their families, for those of you who can’t make the connection). Being employed also gives them experience and money to further their education if they choose, making it possible for them to advance to more skilled work.

The mis information on the pro illegal side is amazing, you believe your own lies ,lets look at the facts.
Thus do we get in the habit of talking about illegal immigration in economic rather than in moral terms. But consider the situation from a moral perspective. Do we really expect hard-working youths from central Mexico to work 30 years in construction, hotels or the fields without marrying, having children, losing jobs or getting hurt? And how can such workers without legal status, education or mastery of English support a family on $10 an hour when most native Americans cant do so on $20? Will we continue to shrug and say, At least the money is better than in Mexico,or, None of our own people will do the work,or, They are going to drive anyway, so lets give them drivers licenses all the easy platitudes that justify the current chaos?

Unemployment is high and rising in California, but we are told that even more illegal workers from Mexico are needed. Can it really be the case that the free market can no longer operate to attract American workers through rising wages even assuming an absence of a pool of unskilled labor? Meanwhile, many who ought to know better champion the employers right to hire whomever he chooses, and assure us that Mexican immigration poses no more of a problem for the U.S. than nineteenth century Italian immigration as if they are unaware that multiculturalism did not exist in our schools in the nineteenth century, that we do not share an adjacent open border with Italy, and that Italian immigrants did not flood our country unlawfully as part of the national strategy of the Italian government. Nor did they cause this

VDARE.COM - http://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/policy_cost.htm
October 21, 2003
National Data, By Edwin S. Rubenstein
Immigration Policy Costing American Workers $2,600 A Year
The 1995 findings of Harvard economist George Borjas [George Borjas, “The Economic Benefits from Immigration,” Journal of Economic Perspectives, Spring 1995] were confirmed by the National Research Council’s 1997 report The New Americans: essentially all the increase in Gross Domestic product [GDP] brought about by immigration is captured by the immigrants themselves, in the form of wages. Virtually no benefit accrues to native-born Americans.
(And once transfer payments like welfare, education and healthcare are factored in, immigration becomes a net cost—for example, over $1,000 in annual extra taxes per native-born household in California. Americans are financing their own dispossession.)
Even less publicized: the Borjas model reveals the true economic consequence of immigration: a massive redistribution of wealth within the American native-born community—basically, from labor to capital, because of immigration’s impact on wages.
The key variable: the rate at which native-born wages fall as the total number of workers rises—the so-called “price elasticity” of labor. Borjas estimates that each 10% increase in immigrant workers reduces native wages by about 3.5%. About 14% of employed workers in 2002 were immigrants. So the reduction in native wages attributable to immigrants that year was approximately 4.9% (35% of 14%).
As our reader told his dinner companions, it’s true that immigrants don’t do work Americans won’t do—they just do it for less.
But, more importantly, immigrants do indeed do one dirty job: make it easier for Americans to exploit each other.
I’ve recalculated this immigration impact on the basis of the latest government data. This is how it came out:
 Net economic gain from the immigrant presence to native-born Americans, before transfer payments: just 0.2 percent of GDP (that is, two-tenth of one percent!) in today’s 10.4 trillion economy — that comes to a mere $84 per native-born American.

 Native-born capital-owners’ gain as a result of immigration: about 3.1% of GDP, or $323.8 billion. This goes to employers and, for example, upper-income owners of stocks and employers of servants.

 Native-born workers’ loss as a result of immigration: about 2.9% of GDP —$302.9 billion in a $10.4 trillion economy, or a remarkable $2,578 for each native-born worker every year.

Remember, these are averages. Unskilled native workers lose far more than the 4.9% average wage loss. Black Americans in particular are big losers. But recent research shows that even college graduates, once thought immune to immigrant competition, face wage reductions. [See: George Borjas, “The Labor Demand Curve is Downward Sloping: Reexamining the Impact of Immigration in the Labor Market,” NBER, June 2003.]
There are far fewer owners of capital than there are workers in the U.S. The economic benefits of immigration are concentrated in the elite. The losses widely dispersed among ordinary Americans.

There are estimated 5 million+ illegal immigrants in California. They account for at least 15% of the state’s population. Children of these illegal immigrants, technically not immigrants anymore (because they are not foreign born) constitute perhaps the largest single drain of California budget. Here are the figures. According to Laura E. Hill and Hans P. Johnson of the PPIC (Download PDF file), “between 1987 and 1991, total fertility rates [expected number of children per woman over her lifetime] for foreign-born Hispanics [in California] increased from 3.2 to 4.4″, which more than doubled 2.1 replacement fertility rate for native Californians. (Per Steve Sailer, this illegal immigrant “baby boom” was triggered by the amnesty of 1986.) As a result, the percentage of illegal immigrants kids in public schools is more than twice their percentage (15%) of California’s population, that is roughly 30% (well over 60% in highly populated areas of Southern California), simply because on average they had twice as many kids than natives. Since the K-12 total state enrollment is close to 6 million, that would yield an estimated 1.8 million of illegal aliens’ children in California public schools. With average annual cost per student equal to $9,100 (”What the deficit could buy” Orange County Register, Dec 22, 2002), the estimated budget expenditure for educating children of illegal aliens is over $16 billion each year, almost half of current budget deficit. Think of it as a cost of derailing of Proposition 187 by Gov. Davis and his cabinet; despite what some bleeding heart liberal morons say, there is nothing in the U.S. law that would mandate FREE education of illegal alien children.
But that’s just a beginning. According to national statistics compiled by the Center for Immigration Studies, an average immigrant collects over his lifetime estimated $1,200 more in welfare and other benefits than he pays in all taxes. (For illegals, who often get paid “under the table” so that they don’t pay taxes, and who are poorer and less educated than legal immigrants, the actual figure is - most likely - much higher.) That resulted in a total of $6 billion+ (low estimate) paid in welfare to the illegals under assumption that all the taxes they paid, if any, went back to California budget. Since a bulk of these taxes were used by the Federal Government, the resulting shortfall paid by the State of California was likely to be several times higher and to fall into a range of tens of billions of dollars. Add to that humongous (multi-million dollar) restitutions that were awarded by liberal judges to convicted drug traffickers and gang members after the evidence against them was deemed planted or otherwise inadmissible, and you will get the idea what happened to all the surpluses. They were recklessly wasted as if those who spent them were thinking “Easy come, easy go”.

The price of the great Mexican exodus is a staggering transfer of wealth which continues to climb. Cheap labor is really not cheap at all. Taxpayers foot the bill for increased use of schools, public health, welfare, and new infrastructure. Employers are happy to get a large pool of compliant and inexpensive workers, but the workers pay little or nothing in taxes. When children arrive (at taxpayer expense), start getting food stamps, and then add to the numbers in schools, the cheap labor actually costs much more than the wages earned. But employers like the subsidized labor, Democrats salivate at the thought of the potential votes, and Republicans are afraid of alienating anyone.
Statistics from the Weekly Standard, American Conservative Union and other sources illustrate:
THE VERY HIGH COSTS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
• Illegal immigrants cost $68 billion in annual welfare payments – equaling $1000 per taxpaying family. (Compared to the estimated $60 billion for the war in Iraq.)
• The proportion of immigrants on welfare is 50 percent higher than native born Americans. (Legal immigrants are barred from welfare for 10 years.)
• They are the sole source of school overcrowding. Educating their children costs $30 billion a year.
• The cost of incarcerating illegal immigrants is estimated at $500 million a year. In the year 2000, there were 23,477 illegal immigrants charged with federal crimes.
• Immigration costs U.S. born workers $133 billion a year in job losses.
States are freeing prisoners, closing libraries, hiking college tuition, even halting prosecution of abusive spouses, while federal and state officials are scrambling to plug budget gaps that widen every day primarily due to illegal immigration.
HEALTH CARE COSTS FROM OPEN BORDERS
The Phyllis Schafley Report September 2002
The big health-care debate in Congress last summer was over the wrong issue. Instead of threatening to bankrupt Medicare by forcing the taxpayers to buy prescription drugs for seniors, Congress should relieve the taxpayers and paying-patients of the burden of providing hospital care for illegal aliens.
From Florida to California, illegal aliens show up at hospital emergency rooms and the costs are passed along to paying patients and to local taxpayers. The American Hospital Association estimates that the costs of bad-debt and charity care run into the billions.
A Martin County, Florida, hospital has spent $900,000 (with no end in sight) caring for a Guatemalan illegal who appeared at the emergency room two years ago with a brain injury after an automobile accident. He has no money and no family, but somehow he has a lawyer who has successfully prevented deportation to Guatemala.
A Jamaican illegal spent 17 months under care at the same hospital. After he ran up a bill of $500,000, he was finally sent home to Jamaica.
St. Mary’s Medical Center in West Palm Beach treats one or two illegals a week and Delray Medical Center about 75 a month. Hospitals are required to provide care to anyone who shows up with a life-threatening condition.
Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) has persuaded the General Accounting Office to study the financial costs that illegal aliens impose on hospitals. He says “we need to remedy this problem before we can no longer afford to take care of Americans.”
Many Arizona hospitals have to treat automobile accident victims of dangerous driving by what are called “people smugglers.” Two Tucson hospitals were stuck with treating a half dozen illegal aliens who were injured in a nighttime crash of their car traveling on the highway at 100 miles an hour.
A San Antonio hospital treated victims suffering from dehydration after up to 70 men, women and children were discovered by police in a tractor-trailer rig at a truck stop. Another tractor-trailer rig loaded with 40 illegal aliens, two of them dead from suffocation, was found in July in Dallas.
The Palomar Medical Center in Escondido, California, has been caring for a comatose Mexican illegal ever since he got drunk and was struck by a car in May. He can’t pay for the care, of course, but his lawyer is fighting his deportation to a Tijuana hospital.
San Diego hospitals had to face the burden of caring for 31 accident victims (not counting the seven who were killed) when a van carrying illegals from Mexico and Brazil crashed going the wrong way on an interstate at night with its headlights turned off.
Some aliens look upon an automobile accident as their entry ticket into the United States. They get treated at an American hospital and then may be released into no one’s custody, and no one has any figures on the numbers.
Last year the taxpayers who finance Medicaid paid the hospital bill for 6,000 illegal aliens to have their babies in Colorado. This totaled $30 million, an average of $5,000 per baby. Those 6,000 births to illegal aliens are 40% of the births Medicaid paid for in Colorado. Those 6,000 babies immediately became U.S. citizens and qualified for all Medicaid services at a cost that is not even tabulated.
To get immediate care, the illegal only has to say she is “undocumented.” Pregnant American mothers can’t avoid their birth-of-a-baby expenses so easily. Denver Health is asking taxpayers to approve a bond issue to pay for a bigger obstetrics unit. The present unit was built for 1,600 births a year but last year it handled 3,500.
This Colorado information was reported by Al Knight of the Denver Post editorial board. He concluded with a fascinating comment: “There are many groups and interests that for one reason or another don’t want this information to be available or to be discussed.”
He didn’t identify the “groups and interests.”
Who they are would be a good question to ask your Member of Congress, along with why Congress isn’t doing its duty to protect Americans from the influx of illegal aliens.
DISEASES ALIENS BRING INTO THE U.S.
Scores of Americans have come down with the disease called West Nile virus, and more than a dozen have already died.
The Louisiana Governor says his state “is an emergency situation.”
Carried by mosquitoes, West Nile virus causes flu-like symptoms and a potentially fatal brain inflammation. There is no cure. Many horses have been infected.
West Nile virus is a disease that comes from central Africa, and it was unknown in the United States prior to 1999. Now it has been found in at least 34 states. Even the pro-immigration New York Times reported (8-13-02): “The wide swath that West Nile has cut in just three years illustrates how vulnerable the United States is to imported diseases.”
The Centers for Disease Control recently announced the deaths of the first American victims of Chagas disease.
Chagas disease is caused by a parasite that is spread when a so-called “kissing bug” bites a human and then defecates while it feeds. The feces contain the parasite, which can enter the human either when the bitten person scratches the bite or from eating contaminated uncooked food.
Chagas infection can lead to various disorders such as obstruction of the colon or esophagus, and is often fatal if untreated.
The Chagas disease in the United States has been traced to a Central American immigrant. More than 16 million people are infected with the parasite in Central America, and health officials estimate that 100,000 Latin American residents in the United States now carry the parasite.
Immigration officials are supposed to screen out immigrants who are carrying diseases, but of course there is no health screening for illegal aliens, who are coming into our country by hundreds of thousands (some estimates say a million) every year.
Tuberculosis, which had been on the way to eradication in the United States, is now rising rapidly because of immigration. In California, the state health department reports that 75% of all TB patients were born outside the United States.
When are the American people going to wake up to the diseases, followed by the costs to our health care system, that result from the massive numbers of aliens coming into the United States at the present time, especially from Third World countries?
Instead of dealing with these existing health-care burdens, some members of Congress are trying to hit the taxpayers with even more costs for illegal aliens. They are trying to make illegal aliens eligible for in-state tuition rates at publicly funded colleges and universities.
Texas, California and New York are already subsidizing these aliens who have broken our laws while discriminating against students in lawful, taxpaying families from the other 49 states. A student from Arizona, for example, pays four times as much to attend the University of California as an illegal alien.
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In-State Tuition: Stay tuned for this topic. State lawmakers in the “Open Borders” crowd, even though it’s barred by federal immigration law, believe you should pay for the college education of illegal immigrants. And there are many more things they want taxes dollars for to support illegal immigrants. (And it just doesn’t seem to matter what the immigration laws say.)
This won’t stop until you let your elected representatives know you’ve had enough. Start emailing, faxing, or writing today. Illegal immigration is one of the most important issues our Nation will ever face. Don’t be silent. Your voice must be heard.
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MEXICANS TREATED IN U.S. COST MILLIONS
from the Associated Press Dec. 30, 2003
Texas - Ambulances regularly race across the bridges of the Rio Grande, bringing some of Mexico’s sickest to the nearest U.S. emergency room.
Obligated by federal law, the hospitals provide the care and worry later about whether the billing addresses patients give them are accurate. Often the hospitals get stuck with the bill.
Immigrant patients have inflated medical expenses for insurance companies, Medicaid and paying customers, officials say.
One recent study by the U.S.-Mexico Border Counties Coalition, an American lobbying group, found U.S. border hospitals provided at least $200 million a year in uncompensated emergency care to illegal immigrants.
Texas Republican state Sen. Chris Harris said he was shocked by what he called the “dumping” of Mexicans on U.S. hospitals.
VDARE.COM - http://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/tax_slavery.htm
September 11, 2003
National Data, By Edwin S. Rubenstein
Immigration Causes A Quarter Of California’s State Budget Deficit—Or Eight More Days Of Tax Slavery
Apparently no major gubernatorial candidate in California wants to criticize immigration. Amazing—because immigrants’ fiscal impact on California households is not only significant, but also unusually well-documented.
Let’s put it this way. Every year, the Tax Foundation computes “Tax Freedom Day”—the day on which Americans get to stop working for the government and start earning money for themselves. It’s an ingenious way of expressing the average tax burden.
National Tax Freedom Day is April 19. That means that, overall, Americans work an average of 109 days for government.
But there’s a lot of variation between the states. The earliest Tax Freedom Day is Alaska: (March 30—89 days). The latest: Connecticut (May 9th—129 days).
California is one of worst—it had the fourth-latest Tax Freedom Day among the 50 states in 2003. It falls on April 29th—which means 119 days of tax slavery for Californians.

Measuring the cost of immigration is complicated. Legal and illegal immigrants have an alarming propensity to consume social welfare benefits, as my last two columns described. But immigrants (not always the same ones) also pay taxes. So, in theory, they could defray some or all of their costs. Measuring the gap between payments made to immigrants and taxes extracted from immigrants is critical. This is why the NRC study is so valuable.
Here, rescued by VDARE.COM, are the NRC’s key findings (1996 dollars):
 Native-born Californian households paid $1,174 annually in federal, state and local taxes in a net subsidy to the immigrant presence in their state.

 Just in state taxes alone, excluding federal and local taxes, native-born California native-born households paid $895 annually in a net subsidy to the immigrant presence.

 California immigrant households received a net subsidy from combined Federal, state, and local programs averaging $6,145 in 1996. Immigrant households received an average $24,507 in combined Federal, state, and local spending. They paid an average of $18,362 in taxes.

 California immigrant households received a net subsidy of $2,632 from California state taxpayers. They received an average $4,973 in state spending and paid an average $2,341 in state taxes.

Adjusting for inflation and growth in the immigrant population since the NRC report, we estimate California immigrants now receive about $9.3 billion more in state expenditures than they pay in state taxes. (See table)
Conclusion: nearly one-quarter (24.5%) of California’s current $38 billion state budget deficit stems directly from immigration.
Including federal and local spending, after adjusting again for inflation and foreign population growth, the total net subsidy to California’s immigrants amounts to $21.7 billion per year.
Or, to put it another way, that $21.7 billion is equivalent to 6.6% of the combined Federal, state, and local taxes paid by California natives
Steve Camarota, director of research for the CIS, dismissed many of the economic theories used to support an open-border policy.

While some argue that Mexican immigration - legal or otherwise - is crucial to the economy, Camarota introduced statistical data showing that Mexican immigrants comprise nearly one-third of California’s population but account for approximately 3 percent of the state’s economic output.

According to Camarota, California’s estimated population of more than 35.5 million people includes some 10 million Mexicans, 70 percent of who are in the state illegally and 65 percent of who have less than a high school education.

“The idea that Mexican immigration is vital to the U.S. economy is simply false,” Camarota said.

Next, Camarota noted that Mexican immigrants pay significantly less in taxes compared with native Californians but use disproportionately more welfare benefits than those born in the state.

Camarota’s data showed that the average taxes paid by Mexican immigrants in California amount to about $1,535 per year, while native-born Californians pay $5,600 in taxes.

While Mexican immigrants pay one-third the taxes of native Californians on average, they also consume roughly three times more welfare, Camarota said.

The CIS data showed that 41.5 percent of Mexican immigrants used “major welfare programs” like Medicaid and food stamps, while those same welfare programs were used by only 14.2 percent of native Californians.

“There’s a very big difference between what Mexican immigrants are supposed to pay in taxes and what natives are supposed to pay,” said Camarota. “This fact, coupled with their extremely high use of public services, means that there’s a very high cost for cheap labor.”

While the panelists illustrated the encroaching problems and their causes, few detailed solutions were offered.

“What should we do? I think most people support immigration, we want immigration, and it always enriches the culture. But we want it in California under legal auspices,” said Hanson.

The IRCA amnesty has cost US taxpayers 241 billion and counting

What Lessons, If Any?

In ten years the United States has paid out $156.7 for the! direct and indirect costs of the legalized population, but has received a little more than half that back in taxes ÷ $78 billion. That figure would be substantially higher if expressed in 1996 dollars. The total fiscal deficit of $78.7 billion amounts to a government subsidy to each member of the 1987 legalized population of $29,148. A subsidy of that amount would have enabled most amnesty seekers to establish a farm or business and remain in their home countries.

http://www.cis.org/articles/1997/back197.htm

Summary

The federal government began legalizing almost three million illegal aliens 10 years ago, on May 5, 1987, wary of the fiscal liabilities of opening more public assistance programs to a population with high needs and low taxpaying power.

To ease the burden on the states, Washington closed some programs to the newly legalized for five years and reimbursed the states nearly $3.5 billion for some of their aid costs.

Was the concern of Congress, the White House, and many state and local leaders justified? A review of the evidence a decade later confirms that legalization indeed carried a high fiscal price tag ÷ a total 10-year cost of $78.7 billion ÷ with the indirect and downstream costs still accumulating. In the ten-year period ending in 1996, the amnestied population:

Accounted for an estimated $102.1 billion costs in current dollars in twenty federal, state, and local assistance programs and services.

Paid total taxes of $78 billion, for a ten-year fiscal deficit of $24 billion in the public assistance and services portion of the budget.

These are estimates of the direct costs only. There were, and will continue to be, significant indirect costs associated with the legalization of 2.7 million persons:

Job Displacement: About 1.66 million legalized workers, 70 percent of them unskilled, displaced an average of 187,000 citizen and settled immigrant workers from jobs each year. Costs of public assistance to those displaced totaled $9.9 billion for the decade.

Citizen Children: Women in the legalized population had an estimated 1.25 million U.S. citizen children between 1970 and 1996. Public education and three major public assistance programs to citizen children 18 and under amounted to $36.1 billion in the decade since amnesty.

School Costs of Undocumented Children: Remaining in the households of legalized population, or joining them subsequently were some 400,000 illegal immigrants by 1996, up from 177,000 in 1987. Costs of providing public schooling for them was $8.56 billion.

Five-Year Prospective Education Costs: Public education costs for U.S. citizen children of legalized aliens are projected to claim an additional $29.4 billion in the five years from 1997 to 2001, mostly from state and local budgets.

Total direct and associated indirect costs of the legalized population after taxes reached $78.7 billion in current dollars for the decade.

Large numbers of the legalized began to naturalize starting in 1995. According to the U.S. commission on Immigration Reform, 1.4 million spouses, children, and parents of amnestied aliens now on immigration waiting lists, will gain immediate entry as relatives of citizens. The costs of public education for the young people of this population and medical care and income support for the 900,000 aging parents is expected to be formidable.

And where oh where will they end up

VDARE.COM - http://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/winner.htm
August 27, 2003
National Data, By Edwin S. Rubenstein
And the Immigrant Welfare Winner Is…
In my last column, I noted that the 1996 welfare reform had failed to end the scandal of immigrant welfare dependency—which means American taxpayers are still being compelled to finance their own dispossession.
Now the news you’re all waiting for: who won the latest Immigrant Welfare Sweepstakes?
Nevertheless, on the basis of what we have (Ta-Ra!):
 First place: Immigrants from the Dominican Republic! Nearly three in five (58.7%) Dominican immigrant households received at least one means-tested program in 2002.

 Runner-up: Immigrants from Mexico! Over one in three (35.7%) Mexican immigrant households are on welfare. About a quarter (24.9%) of illegal Mexican immigrants receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children.

 Dead last: less than one in thirteen (7.3%) immigrant households from Canada receive benefits

From 1930 to 1981 we had only 15million immigrates to this country, this is when what you see today was built, 10 million plus under skilled ,under educated citizens that we still have to this day did these jobs for a wage you could at least live on. There is no jobs we won’t do ,but they is jobs now we can’t do because you can’t pay your billson $6.00 per hour, of course you illegals don’t pay your bills as evidenced by your failure to pay your hospital bills , of course you load those on the backs of USC, you send 30 billion per year of our wages out of this country, hurting our country and its citizens who plan on staying here , just not reaping the benefits of others hard work , so lets tell it like it is , you’re here to strip mine our country and steal what is not yours to take. Your weak as a culture and your country is a failure because of it ,but yet you blame others for your failure and rationalize your behavior which is immoral to stay the least, your ask for human compassion but you show NONE to those that your affect with your selfish greed. The very freedom you seek you destroy with you actions, you will loose in the end as Karma has a way to even things out. Raciest explain this
http://americanpatrol.com/RECONQUISTA/FU_stillmexico000118.html
WHAT SOME “LATINOS” THINK OF THE UNITED STATES

Dan get a clue
Interesting logic, the majority of illegal /legals have settled in four western states, so who is doing the jobs we won’t do in all these other cities, small towns etc?Proudly those 10 million under skilled ,undereducated USC that have been doing these jobs for years.

Get my facts straight? I see no facts offered by you to back up your claim.I offer facts with socures .

Fact is that from 1930 to when this mass legal/illegal immigration started in 1985 we only had 15 million people immigrate here in 50 years . So gee who did the jobs before 1985????You would think they built what you see today WRONG. Between 1930 and 1985 we have had the most prospers time in this country so far and we only needed 15 million immigrates in 50 years to do it.We have taken in an immigrant population of 33.1 million +in less 20 years , historically unprecedented. It is more than twice the number (13.5 million) reached in 1910 during the previous great wave of immigration.

To think that they play such a big part in this countries well being is totally ridicules.

While some argue that Mexican immigration - legal or otherwise - is crucial to the economy, Camarota introduced statistical data showing that Mexican immigrants comprise nearly one-third of California’s population but account for approximately 3 percent of the state’s economic output.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO READ THAT TWICE TO UNDERSTAND IT

THEN YOU CAN READ THIS , ITS HARDLY A BLIP ON THE RADER SCREEN MY FRIEND , LESS THEN 10 BILLION BUT THEY COSTS U.S. TAXPAYERS 70 BILLION PER YEAR, THE MEDICAL BILLS THEY DO NOT PAY WIPES THIS OUT , GET A CLUE
The current wave of mass immigration is not benefiting Americans overall. “All of the available estimates suggest the annual net gain is astoundingly small,” writes Professor Borjas, “… less than 0.1 percent of the Gross Domestic Product.” Roughly: less than $10 billion in a $7 trillion economy.

Note carefully what Professor Borjas is saying here. Sure, those immigrants who work do raise overall GDP. But the bulk of that increase goes to the immigrants themselves, in the form of wages. The benefit to native-born Americans, after everything is taken into account, is infinitesimally small.

Current mass immigration is not benefiting Americans overall — but it is transforming their country. For nothing.

The idea that Mexican immigration is vital to the U.S. economy is simply false,” Camarota said.

Next, Camarota noted that Mexican immigrants pay significantly less in taxes compared with native Californians but use disproportionately more welfare benefits than those born in the state.

Camarota’s data showed that the average taxes paid by Mexican immigrants in California amount to about $1,535 per year, while native-born Californians pay $5,600 in taxes.
While Mexican immigrants pay one-third the taxes of native Californians on average, they also consume roughly three times more welfare, Camarota said.
T
he CIS data showed that 41.5 percent of Mexican immigrants used “major welfare programs” like Medicaid and food stamps, while those same welfare programs were used by only 14.2 percent of native Californians.
”
There’s a very big difference between what Mexican immigrants are supposed to pay in taxes and what natives are supposed to pay,” said Camarota. “This fact, coupled with their extremely high use of public services, means that there’s a very high cost for cheap labor.”
While the panelists illustrated the encroaching problems and their causes, few detailed solutions were offered.
“What should we do? I think most people support immigration, we want immigration, and it always enriches the culture. But we want it in California under legal auspices,” said Hanson.
Hanson said it would require “legal, measured immigration.” However, he emphasized that “something” must be done to protect the borders

 Net economic gain from the immigrant presence to native-born Americans, before transfer payments: just 0.2 percent of GDP (that is, two-tenth of one percent!) in today’s 10.4 trillion economy — that comes to a mere $84 per native-born American.

 Native-born capital-owners’ gain as a result of immigration: about 3.1% of GDP, or $323.8 billion. This goes to employers and, for example, upper-income owners of stocks and employers of servants.

 Native-born workers’ loss as a result of immigration: about 2.9% of GDP —$302.9 billion in a $10.4 trillion economy, or a remarkable $2,578 for each native-born worker every year.

LASTLY, IF THESE MEXICANS AND LATINOS REALLY LOVE TO LIVE IN AMERICA. THEN HOW COME THEY DONT WANT TO TALK AND LEARN ENGLISH, FILIPINO’S DONT FORCE AMERICANS TO TALK TAGALOG BUT WE LEARN THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE OF OUR NEW FOUND LAND.
IF U MEXICANS LOVE TO LIVE HERE, TALK IN ENGLISH

JOEY
PASTE THIS URL IT MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT AS TO THE FORCES WORKING HERE.

The Mexican Conquest of America
By Kenny Felsher

American Border Patrol
http://www.americanpatrol.com/RECONQUISTA/FelsherEssayRecons030205.html

ok im an senior in high school,my debate is on this topic,one thing i dont understand is why are we only focusing on the mexican race there are more races in california.my father is from mexico he is now a U.S. citizen,he also came here to have a better life now hes very sucessful in what he does he worked to be sucessful to he went to school.in every race there are succesful people,also illegal immigrants arent taking illegls jobs b/s i dint think there would be any U.S. citizen that would like to work under the hot sun in the winter and in the cold during the fall picking anything with layers of clothing on,shit,cause i wouldnt want to do that.just imagine this issue if Ceasar Chavez was alive.people do need a high school diaploma to work in fast food.

Most of my assertions regarding who can get a Matricula Consular card and what they can be used for comes from the Federal Government’s own analyses, so it’s really to them you need to be directing this criticism. I’m sure they would be delighted to be informed of their ignorance.

And anyway, you’re a bit late with your support of SB 60, considering that it was repealed earlier this week.

Smart One decided to post his comment 3 times. I deleted 2 of them. Comment spamming is not permitted and your IP address has been blocked. Asshat.

Sorry, Javier, I’m not sure what you’re asking.

how dare you make fun of javier’s accent, what a savage girl

How do I answer a mentally incapable’s question, such as Anne’s?

Well first, I must be slow.

Second, don’t make the answer to confusing, because it will only lead to more questions.

Third, treat them like who they are, IDIOTS.

Question 1: How does somebody have an accent when they type.

Answer to question 1: The person speaks with an accent while typing.

Question 2: Or do we actually have two asshats comment spamming?

Answer to Question 2: When you use the vulgar word “asshats” I’m guessing it’s a way of insulting and referring to me, well no there is only one intelligent person speaking, me. And there is one “it”, Anne, which is not only semi-moron but quite an insolent little idiotic stupid bitch, with an I.Q. below zero(if it has been invented yet).

Statement: I see you’ve discovered the spell check feature on your word processor.

Comment of the Statement: As a matter of fact I discovered the spell check feature on my word processor a few years ago. You’d be bewildered to know that this comment box doesn’t have the “spell check” feature.

Statement: You still don’t make any sense. To quote your Lord and Master, Foamy Squirrel: “I’m sick of having to whip out an Idiot To English Dictionary to figure out what the fuck you’re trying to say.”

Comment of Statement: I’m not sure what religion has to do with any of this(that’s guessing that you were talking of religion). Please correct all grammar errors, it makes it difficult for such an intelligent person as my self to read such low stupidities.

Again let me remind you of your stupidity, and idiodicy, you stupid, worthless, piece of nothing, brainless girl.

Statement: Sorry, Javier, I’m not sure what you’re asking.

Comment of Statement: There isn’t supposed to be a comma after “Sorry” you stupid girl.

Yes, there is. See section 3 here for information:

with an I.Q. below zero(if it has been invented yet).

The IQ or the zero? I’m pretty sure the zero was discovered rather a long time ago.

Question 1: How does somebody have an accent when they type.

Answer to question 1: The person speaks with an accent while typing.

“Who is V’Ger?” “V’Ger is the Creator.” “Who is the Creator?” “The Creator is that which created V’Ger.”

Comment of Statement: I’m not sure what religion has to do with any of this(that’s guessing that you were talking of religion).

Foamy says you are, and I quote, a “self-important, fucking little bastard”.

Again let me remind you of your stupidity, and idiodicy, you stupid, worthless, piece of nothing, brainless girl.

What? You don’t think I’m good enough to be a whole nothing, instead of just a piece?

Hmm. A whole nothing. How does one divide nothing into pieces? Ah! Ah! Twisting my brain!

Ooh, pizza. *runs off*

lol. reading all of you idiots aruge like middle school kids is very entertaining. i’m from taiwan and come here legally.

illegal immigrant SHOULD NOT be rewarded with driver license. period!

what the hell does illegal mean? Can you idiot look it up? http://www.m-w.com (Merriam-Webster website)

so…CA going to say fuck the law. let’s give people who commit the crime a free get out of jail card? well…hell, let’s reward people who rob the bank, commit murder, drunk driving, rape a fucking get out of jail card!

let’s take it even further. why do we need the laws? bunch idiots, a law is a law. it’s a agreement, we agree to, in order to protect ourself and make everyone play nice in this country. yup, i’m really looking forward a lawless country. where every crimial are rewarded!

SCHWARZENEGGER SHOULD GIVE DRIVER’S LICENSE AND SSN TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

California’s new governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, should give a driver’s license and Social Security Number (SNN) to illegal immigrants. Given a driver’s license and SSN to illegal immigrants, would benefit both government and immigrants. Although the opposition argues that they’re not productive contributors to the economy, and that giving driver license would be a threat against national security, the positive aspects of the claim outweigh the negative. It would allow immigrants to prove their contribution to the economy. California would have safer roads and government would have more flexibility keeping track of criminals. A driver’s license and a SSN would also allow thousands of immigrants to excel and to pursue their dreams.

With an SSN illegal immigrants would be able to pay taxes, and to prove their productive contribution to the economy. Immigrants pay taxes, and contribute to the economy as much as non-immigrants do. When they buy groceries, cars, houses they pay taxes. Likewise, people working illegally, still have deductions taken from their checks for federal and state taxes among others. Most immigrants never file income tax returns at the end of the year, because then they apply for a job they use someone else’s SSN. The benefits (money) most of the time goes to whoever owns the SSN and/or to Uncle Sam’s pocket. Money those immigrants cannot claim and that they are willing to sacrifice in order to survive in this country. With a SSN however, immigrants would be forced to file income tax returns at the end of the year and government would have a better control over these taxpayers.

Another reason why Schwarzenegger should give a driver license to illegal immigrants is that, both the roads of California and the government would benefit. Transportation has become a necessity in California, when we go to work, to school even to go to buy groceries we need a means of transportation. Given a driver’s license to immigrants, California would have well-trained, and capacitated drivers in the road and accidents would be less likely. Government would also benefit, by gaining ease access to criminal’s files by means of DMV records. This would give government the choice to determine whether to expel these individuals out of the country or not.

Finally, giving driverR